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jacknv7
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 8:09 pm 
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It's very easy to get to the playa at Black Rock. A two hour drive north of Reno on paved roads takes you to Gerlach and the roads out to the playa are just beyond.

Maybe they could get the Black Rock City MOOP Army to restore the Racetrack...

http://www.rgj.com/story/life/arts/burning-man/2016/10/07/how-burning-mans-moop-army-erases-black-rock-city/91555010/[url]
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I'll be the bad guy here. The park is getting trashed worse and worse all the time because some contributors on here are constantly telling the whole world where everything is and how to get to it. Yes, I know it belongs to everyone, but let people who really appreciate the park and its treasures enjoy finding it for themselves. I spent most of my 70 + years in Colorado. I told people on several occasions about a particularily nice place, only to find it trashed the next time I went there. I finally concluded that it was my fault. I no longer tell anyone about anyplace at all. I volunteered in DV for many years and worked extreme remote places, but if asked, I would forget where the good ones are. Just telling it like I see it. Stone me if you want to. I still frequent the Valley and manage to avoid the people and the vandalism.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 5:24 pm 
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I'll be the bad guy here. The park is getting trashed worse and worse all the time because some contributors on here are constantly telling the whole world where everything is and how to get to it. Yes, I know it belongs to everyone, but let people who really appreciate the park and its treasures enjoy finding it for themselves. I spent most of my 70 + years in Colorado. I told people on several occasions about a particularily nice place, only to find it trashed the next time I went there. I finally concluded that it was my fault. I no longer tell anyone about anyplace at all. I volunteered in DV for many years and worked extreme remote places, but if asked, I would forget where the good ones are. Just telling it like I see it. Stone me if you want to. I still frequent the Valley and manage to avoid the people and the vandalism.


Not sure how this relates to the Racetrack? It is a very well publicized place and has been famous (and heavily-visited) for decades.

Can you provide a specific, verifiable example of a thing/place in DVNP that was "secret" until it was mentioned here, then damaged after that mention? I've been to obscure sites that have been discussed here, and did not find them trashed. I can name sites that were discussed here then "cleaned up" by the NPS...

BTW, you say you spent a lot of time in Colorado. Have you read the "In Defense of Mountaineering Guidebooks" appendix in one of Gerry Roach's guidebooks? What do you think about his argument?
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I was out at Saratoga Springs this past Sunday, and some idiots drove in the mud flats out there not long ago too. Massive tire tracks all over the place. I'm not even sure that I can fathom the appeal of doing such a thing down there, as its not that large of a space where you can drive fast.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:38 pm 
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Have any new tire marks or other vandalism been seen on the Racetrack recently?
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There were some victory Donuts by the Grandstand that were done ON CHRISTMAS DAY. They're still there, but not terribly obnoxious and the tracks from when this was first posted are essentially almost gone.
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Funding to prevent vandalism and clean it up is a big problem right now. And that doesn't even include routine and emergency maintenance. Here is an article that discusses that issue.

https://www.kcet.org/redefine/closed-for-repairs-national-parks-need-maintenance-funding-and-soon
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 9:41 pm 
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teddyruxton wrote:
I'll be the bad guy here. The park is getting trashed worse and worse all the time because some contributors on here are constantly telling the whole world where everything is and how to get to it. Yes, I know it belongs to everyone, but let people who really appreciate the park and its treasures enjoy finding it for themselves. I spent most of my 70 + years in Colorado. I told people on several occasions about a particularily nice place, only to find it trashed the next time I went there. I finally concluded that it was my fault. I no longer tell anyone about anyplace at all. I volunteered in DV for many years and worked extreme remote places, but if asked, I would forget where the good ones are. Just telling it like I see it. Stone me if you want to. I still frequent the Valley and manage to avoid the people and the vandalism.

No stones here and agree with you. I have backpacked every trail in Yosemite, and never give away the awesome places I have discovered off trail or in an obscure place.
So while I have been guilty of figuring out some secret places based on pictures on this site, or some obscure information that was posted. My pictures are not for public consumption and my current camera does not Geotag.
Do I enjoy seeing and reading about obscure places.... you bet, but I know there is a fine line sharing with those that truly care versus the rubes that want to trash some place and respect those that make mention but don't give specific details.
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I went back to see how the wet winter affected the car tracks.

http://blog.kurtlawson.com/?p=1581

They are very much still there for the most part.
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Wasn't there a rumor that the parks service was going to have a camp host at the Racetrack?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:29 am 
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I thought it was a deal where they provided RV hookups in a compound somewhere then when a vehicle was available, provide that vehicle for person to drive to Racetrack to provide eyes and information for visitors
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bryce0lynch wrote:
Wasn't there a rumor that the parks service was going to have a camp host at the Racetrack?


It was for a volunteer to get a free RV hookup at one of the campgrounds in exchange for spending 16-32 hours per week at the Racetrack....definitely no camp host there or at Homestake, although if I were the volunteer, I would plan to camp at Homestake some nights to save some of the driving.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 3:39 am 
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kurt765 wrote:
I went back to see how the wet winter affected the car tracks.


Your photo essay of the damage was thorough. I did not realize how pervasive the wheel and footprint tracks are on the playa. I knew it was bad but not this bad.

Maybe several signs posted: "Racetrack Under Satellite Video Surveillance" might discourage the joy riders?

BTW - that image of her heron on top of the grandstand is over the top cool. What luck to be there to snap that one.

Thanks again for taking the time to post such an excellent report.
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Yes that heron is really really cool. Thanks for adding it. Otherwise, so depressing to see all that damage. I've never seen things looking so so shabby out there Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:42 am 
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I really don't know what the NPS can do to prevent damage like that. Maybe station a guy out there in an RV with a sidearm and a radio? There is no money to pay him. The parks have already endured severe budget cuts with yet more proposed. Maybe close Racetrack Road to vehicular traffic? If you want to see it, hike in. I don't know.
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